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	<description>Everything you need to know about the Jaguar Marketing System before you invest. Internet marketing and SEO courses for the Internet entrepreneur.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: affiliate marketing</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-550</link>
		<dc:creator>affiliate marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Reverse Marketers Nightmare Or Best Friend.. - 2DP Marketing System Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>A Reverse Marketers Nightmare Or Best Friend.. - 2DP Marketing System Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 07:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Len Estrada</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-420</link>
		<dc:creator>Len Estrada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our friend Nick responded with the usual diatribe, but I had to spam it. 

Once again he didn't leave a real name, email, or website. He even actually called me a snakeoil salesman at one point. Tried to discredit Jaguar for being an MLM. (only an inexperienced marketer believes that MLM is fraudulant)

Some multi-million dollar companies make their fortunes using an MLM model. (ie. Mary Kay, Amway, Passion Parties, Pampered Chef, PartyLite, the list goes on.)

It's obvious he's a young one trying to discredit me and my business for some reason. He also had one of his buddies leave a message saying that he was a former associate of mine in Jaguar named James W. who also did not leave a real name, email or website. This one also claimed, quite immaturely, "Yeah, he IS a snake oil salesman."

It's also testimony to their limited online marketing experience that they would believe a blogger would continue to approve their nonsensical comments. Sorry guys...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our friend Nick responded with the usual diatribe, but I had to spam it. </p>
<p>Once again he didn&#8217;t leave a real name, email, or website. He even actually called me a snakeoil salesman at one point. Tried to discredit Jaguar for being an MLM. (only an inexperienced marketer believes that MLM is fraudulant)</p>
<p>Some multi-million dollar companies make their fortunes using an MLM model. (ie. Mary Kay, Amway, Passion Parties, Pampered Chef, PartyLite, the list goes on.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious he&#8217;s a young one trying to discredit me and my business for some reason. He also had one of his buddies leave a message saying that he was a former associate of mine in Jaguar named James W. who also did not leave a real name, email or website. This one also claimed, quite immaturely, &#8220;Yeah, he IS a snake oil salesman.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also testimony to their limited online marketing experience that they would believe a blogger would continue to approve their nonsensical comments. Sorry guys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Len Estrada</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-412</link>
		<dc:creator>Len Estrada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 16:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to disappoint everyone, but the email he left was bogus:

nickyoung@yahoo.com

It just baffles me how someone can leave a negative comment, just to be negative.

He left a bogus email, didn't submit a URL, nor did he leave a real last name.

He took time out of his day, just to insult me. I don't know whether to feel flattered or to feel sorry for the guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to disappoint everyone, but the email he left was bogus:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:nickyoung@yahoo.com">nickyoung@yahoo.com</a></p>
<p>It just baffles me how someone can leave a negative comment, just to be negative.</p>
<p>He left a bogus email, didn&#8217;t submit a URL, nor did he leave a real last name.</p>
<p>He took time out of his day, just to insult me. I don&#8217;t know whether to feel flattered or to feel sorry for the guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Estrada</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-411</link>
		<dc:creator>Len Estrada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I chuckled to myself while reading this, my first thought was to just spam him and be done with it. But then I had a better idea.

Obviously, I hit a chord with this guy... Nick Young is it? 

You are right my friend, it is easy to rank locally. It's quite another to hold 6 of the top 10 on page 1. And you'll notice I said it was for "one" of the keyphrases.

As for my MySpace, I designed that site about 7 years ago, haven't done anything with it but check messages occasionally.

To avoid some long drawn out Nick burn session, let's turn this into something productive. I propose a challenge:

Nick Young will pick an obscure keyphrase and we are going to do SEO battle. As a specialist in my field, I'm willing to put it on the line... but are you, Mr. Nick Young?

The rules are simple, Nick picks an obscure 3 to 5 letter keyphrase, it doesn't even have to make sense or be real words. Ex: "widgetal primus taks"

We each have 72 hours to run a campaign. He who dominates the SERPs at the end of the 72 hours, wins. Nick, (he will be emailed, assuming the email he submitted is real) has until Friday, September 19th, 2008, 9pm PST to respond here on this blog post, with an answer to my challenge and/or the keyphrase.

I will be informing the entire Web 2.0 community of this challenge Nick, so I hope you man up... or maybe you're just one of those bonehead asses that vomits his worthless opinion all over the web just because you hate your life.

Either way, the clock is ticking Nick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I chuckled to myself while reading this, my first thought was to just spam him and be done with it. But then I had a better idea.</p>
<p>Obviously, I hit a chord with this guy&#8230; Nick Young is it? </p>
<p>You are right my friend, it is easy to rank locally. It&#8217;s quite another to hold 6 of the top 10 on page 1. And you&#8217;ll notice I said it was for &#8220;one&#8221; of the keyphrases.</p>
<p>As for my MySpace, I designed that site about 7 years ago, haven&#8217;t done anything with it but check messages occasionally.</p>
<p>To avoid some long drawn out Nick burn session, let&#8217;s turn this into something productive. I propose a challenge:</p>
<p>Nick Young will pick an obscure keyphrase and we are going to do SEO battle. As a specialist in my field, I&#8217;m willing to put it on the line&#8230; but are you, Mr. Nick Young?</p>
<p>The rules are simple, Nick picks an obscure 3 to 5 letter keyphrase, it doesn&#8217;t even have to make sense or be real words. Ex: &#8220;widgetal primus taks&#8221;</p>
<p>We each have 72 hours to run a campaign. He who dominates the SERPs at the end of the 72 hours, wins. Nick, (he will be emailed, assuming the email he submitted is real) has until Friday, September 19th, 2008, 9pm PST to respond here on this blog post, with an answer to my challenge and/or the keyphrase.</p>
<p>I will be informing the entire Web 2.0 community of this challenge Nick, so I hope you man up&#8230; or maybe you&#8217;re just one of those bonehead asses that vomits his worthless opinion all over the web just because you hate your life.</p>
<p>Either way, the clock is ticking Nick.</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude, you're a freaking newbie. why are you professing yourself as an expert? anyone can rank on the first page of google LOCALLY. its freaking easy! according to your myspace page, you only make 30k a year and you're working at a bar. smells and looks like a scam to me! give it up len estrada, you suck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, you&#8217;re a freaking newbie. why are you professing yourself as an expert? anyone can rank on the first page of google LOCALLY. its freaking easy! according to your myspace page, you only make 30k a year and you&#8217;re working at a bar. smells and looks like a scam to me! give it up len estrada, you suck!</p>
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		<title>By: 101DoFollowBlogs</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>101DoFollowBlogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard some good things about this blog.  Remember to balance the pics with the text tho.  cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard some good things about this blog.  Remember to balance the pics with the text tho.  cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len,

Great article, and the poster Adam proves many of your points.

It's sad how some of the newer network marketing and direct sales companies who haven't been in business more than a year, and have only copied other successful companies models are teaching their "recruits" to bash the legitimate businesses they have copied.   As if magically they will have eliminated their competion who gave birth to their very own company over night.

These "online marketers", have been recruited into knockoff companies and their sponsors are not "taking them" for lots of money so they don't feel tossing away a few hundred dollars isn't such a big deal when they don't learn anything or make anything.

It's a fascinating approach in an industry where most come in believing there is no work required to make the cash signing up for all of these inexpensive programs that offer no money back gaurantee wondering why they can't make money.  If they had invested in a legitimate company like Jag they would be in profit not in multiple streams of outgo.

I've spent some time hunting these posters down only to find out they are new in their company using unprofessional tactics taught to them by those who recrutied them into their low entry no value deals.

Best wishes in all in the Jag program their reputation keeps getting better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len,</p>
<p>Great article, and the poster Adam proves many of your points.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad how some of the newer network marketing and direct sales companies who haven&#8217;t been in business more than a year, and have only copied other successful companies models are teaching their &#8220;recruits&#8221; to bash the legitimate businesses they have copied.   As if magically they will have eliminated their competion who gave birth to their very own company over night.</p>
<p>These &#8220;online marketers&#8221;, have been recruited into knockoff companies and their sponsors are not &#8220;taking them&#8221; for lots of money so they don&#8217;t feel tossing away a few hundred dollars isn&#8217;t such a big deal when they don&#8217;t learn anything or make anything.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fascinating approach in an industry where most come in believing there is no work required to make the cash signing up for all of these inexpensive programs that offer no money back gaurantee wondering why they can&#8217;t make money.  If they had invested in a legitimate company like Jag they would be in profit not in multiple streams of outgo.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent some time hunting these posters down only to find out they are new in their company using unprofessional tactics taught to them by those who recrutied them into their low entry no value deals.</p>
<p>Best wishes in all in the Jag program their reputation keeps getting better.</p>
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		<title>By: Len Estrada</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Len Estrada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don't get it. Why would you not move on to the next website if you believe the one you're on is a scam? Why scar my blog with obcenities? I've seen alot of scams during my online career, and none of them had a blog like this one where so much care went into the content and structure. 

I usually wouldn't even waste my time on a guy like this, but I think it's important and it relates to the article.

Ok, because this is a fairly recent campaign that I completed, I'm going to share with you the results. This is ONE of the keyword phrases that one of my clients (Marlene) and I decided to target when marketing her business.

"passion parties in modesto"

Here are the results:

&lt;a  href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=passion+parties+in+modesto" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Google Results&lt;/a&gt;

Notice that we don't have the "top" position... we have almost ALL the positions. 8 out of 10 to be exact including the map, and 5 on page 2. This is the power of our marketing strategies. We show you how to do this without spending a dime on marketing. Complete search engine domination.

So Adam... where you at?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t get it. Why would you not move on to the next website if you believe the one you&#8217;re on is a scam? Why scar my blog with obcenities? I&#8217;ve seen alot of scams during my online career, and none of them had a blog like this one where so much care went into the content and structure. </p>
<p>I usually wouldn&#8217;t even waste my time on a guy like this, but I think it&#8217;s important and it relates to the article.</p>
<p>Ok, because this is a fairly recent campaign that I completed, I&#8217;m going to share with you the results. This is ONE of the keyword phrases that one of my clients (Marlene) and I decided to target when marketing her business.</p>
<p>&#8220;passion parties in modesto&#8221;</p>
<p>Here are the results:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&#038;q=passion+parties+in+modesto" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Google Results</a></p>
<p>Notice that we don&#8217;t have the &#8220;top&#8221; position&#8230; we have almost ALL the positions. 8 out of 10 to be exact including the map, and 5 on page 2. This is the power of our marketing strategies. We show you how to do this without spending a dime on marketing. Complete search engine domination.</p>
<p>So Adam&#8230; where you at?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.jaguarmarketingrevealed.com/2008/03/25/jaguar-marketing-system-product-based-or-pyramid-scheme/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT A LOAD OF SHITE. 

IF ITS NOT A SCAM, ITS A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT A LOAD OF SHITE. </p>
<p>IF ITS NOT A SCAM, ITS A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME</p>
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